College : My Failed $15,000 Experiment

This post is for anyone pre-college, in college, thinking about college, and thinking about what they’re going to do. This is just my unique chain of events, but everything did happen and you might be the exact same way. I think we often hear much too much barraging from the “other side” on the importance of college, most of the time it’s from people with jobs they got from their college degree. So this is just a story from someone who has a successful job but no degree. I had my glory Year and One Month at college, and I retired in my prime.

It seemed like my entire childhood education was built upon finally going out to college, learning a trade, and getting a job with the degree I would earn. At least in high school that’s all I heard from teachers…”You think this is hard, just wait until college.”…”We’re doing this to better prepare you for college,”, etc. Throughout our high school years is when our parents encourage us to save up for college, and even set up college funds for us with their money.

So what did I put in? Two years, roughly $15,000 (including all tuitions, books, room/board, etc), and a lot of my time. What did I end up with? College certainly didn’t pay me for my time, so that’s -$15,000. Looking back, I really didn’t learn anything useful other than the fact that if you really really want to find a way to get around the system…you can. I did have some great times with great people, but this post is only talking about the education/degree factor. So I ended up with nothing but the lesson that college just isn’t necessary for some people. If I put more into it, would I have learned something and gotten a degree? Yeah, not denying that one bit. But college simply isn’t for me, and might not be for you either.

I’ll talk briefly about my college experience now for those that are interested and may be going through similar things.

Pre-college : In high school I was the kid who did nothing and got by. I hated homework, maybe just for the fact that I didn’t like the idea of having to do something I didn’t want to do. I took the test and did the big projects, but I usually avoided most small homeworks – because they could be avoided. If you really really want to find a way around the system…you can. And you don’t have to be a genius to figure it out, just take a step back and look at where you’re really going. If you know you want to go to a community college out of high school, do you really need an A? If you like working hard at things just for the sake of working hard, more power to you. But if not (like me), don’t feel like a failure because you just don’t see the point in it.

During College : I didn’t really know what direction I wanted to go in, I just figured I’d be good at business or law. But I certainly wasn’t going through all the work and hell to get through law school – life really is too short to waste 7-8 years of my life wanting to kill myself. So I chose business, and took on the easy schedule. I learned about online marketing while just starting my freshman year at school. By the start of the second semester, I knew I would be dropping out after that year. I saw the potential in the industry and had already made a few thousand bucks, it was worth it. You can always go back to college if you really need to. I started working on my business and stopped doing school work. College did indeed prove to be a bit harder than high school. Here homework usually wasn’t required, it all came down to the tests. Unfortunately those required hours of reading, so I usually read the cliff notes, or read the test of the girl in the row in front of me (she got a C on the economics exam). Once more now, if you really really want to find a way around the system…you can.

Transition Time : I resigned from college that year to work on affiliate marketing full time. I was learning 10x as much by getting out there and testing things for myself. I could either pay $20,000-100,000 (depending on what school you go to) to get a degree that will teach me how to manage my business assets. Or I could spend $1,000 testing Google Adwords to find the customers that want to buy what I have to sell. My first years in affiliate marketing, even now, have taught me an incredible amount…and I didn’t have to sacrifice a dime for it. But while I was building my business, I started to feel like I missed out on the college years of my life. So I went back…

Back to School : Last month I started school at SUNY Geneseo. It’s actually a very selective school now and they rejected my application at first. My grades weren’t even close to being good enough to get in (perhaps like trying to get a job interview with a low GPA?). So I drove down to the school, talked to the admissions officer, and told him why he should let me attend their school. All together now: if you really really want to find a way around the system, you can. After a month of taking classes that I just took out of interest (computer science, physics, and geology), working on this new product simply took up all my time. I didn’t have nearly enough time to study, and it was the best business move to just cut my losses and move back home.

Was the point of that whole story to either a) bore you, or b) lead you to believe I’m an egomaniac? No, this is for kids my age who may feel the same way about school. If you really feel that college isn’t for you, and if you really feel like you don’t need college to earn a good living, you have no reason to waste your money even trying. Why spend thousands of dollars on college, and THEN go out and try something that wouldn’t make use of your paper degree? If you’re in college now or any type of school, start working on something in your free time. Brainstorm ways to make money and put them to action. Don’t listen to anybody that tells you that you need college to be successful in “this day in age”.

Some points I want to make :

1) I am certainly not trying to encourage anybody to completely avoid college. If you want to be a doctor or nutritionist, college is completely necessary and will absolutely be helpful. I’m just making the point that many times something like college can be an individual case. Not everybody needs to be a part of the “system” in order to find their way. This is for those people, those cases…not everyone. I’m not talking about the fools with no college degree that peddle drugs, con people, or just sit and collect unemployment/welfare. Please don’t come at me with stats on college dropouts, because this article is not about that.

2) I go back to the “if you really really want to find a way around the system…you can.” quite a few times, and wanted to clarify that as it may raise some flags. Getting around the “system” is one of the things that my college experience showed me. It’s helped me to realize that if I really want to get somewhere or do something but have no direction, I know it’s possible that I’ll find a way to get where I want. Just knowing I can get there helps me stay motivated and fixated on whatever goal I have. BUT, you have to think of this in relative terms. I’m not saying beating the system means doing anything harmful, illegal, or highly unethical. In this article’s example I mention not doing homework, cheating on a college exam, and persuading the admissions director to accept me. Using an example of cheating on a test is probably inappropriate and slightly unethical…but it didn’t harm anybody and it helps to prove my point. Proving my point is more important than my personal reputation, the goal here is to be honest with others going through the same things as I am in regards to school. Hopefully it helps or at least reassures a few people out there.

Think about this :

You want to be a marketing manager when you grow up. Now you’ve looked at job descriptions and even called ahead to employers and asked them what a marketing manager does. You learn that once you’ve been hired, you’ll be trained on everything the company does. You’ll receive information to digest, and then receive your first task. Now it’s time for college. I’d say for that job position, easily more than half of your classes will serve you little to no purpose. Will learning the war heroes of the American Revolution help you sell toothbrushes? How about doing an advanced integral in calculus? The school system thinks you need these classes for your development/work ethic/blah blah. That’s why they make them required for any degree…for a lot of people that’s just simply wrong. It’s wasting their time and money to teach them something that will have little to no effect on their end-game (a career). I couldn’t help the fact that I simply couldn’t pay attention in classes I had no interest in. I know people that have paid to have somebody go and sit through all their classes and take their exams so they could work on their business instead…I say bravo. Beat that system boii.

3)
Something to keep in mind : I’m writing this post as I’ve said for college kids in the same position. Same position meaning school just isn’t right for some people, and with some smart thinking and work you can make things work just fine on your own. Smart thinking, and work. If your idea for selling diet pills is to give out samples to marathon runners, you should strongly consider going to college or learning a trade. Being smart about things is 100% necessary for anything I’m talking about right now.

4) I sound like a slacker with my “do as little as possible to get by” philosophy. Most people resent that way of living…I embrace it. Why should I have to do homework that don’t have to do? If I’m doing well enough on the tests I obviously know the material, so I see no point unless I enjoy it. Should you go to lecture if you can learn all the material from the reading? Hell no, you should go play basketball with your friends instead. Instead of looking at it like a “do as little as possible to get by” approach, I look at is as : “accomplish your goals while enjoying as much of it as you possibly can.”

5) I am in no way saying to drop what you’re currently doing now. If you’re in college – stay in college. If you have a full time job – stay in that job. If you’re planning on going to college next year – go to college next year. But there is time in the “meantime” that you can start to explore career options that don’t require a degree. I know firsthand how much work college can be, especially if you actually plan on doing the work/studying. I have physics major friends who stay up all night many nights every week doing homework and studying. But they also have time to play a lot of Xbox and party on the weekends. Which if you’re going to school like that you need those breaks, but not if you want more. You have to want it badly enough. I started getting into internet marketing while I was going to school. I still did all my projects and went to my part-time job, but whenever I had free time I was reading about affiliate marketing. Once I started to see results from that (and only once I saw results), I started to cut back on school.

Anyway, bit of an off-topic post. But seeing as I’m just coming off of my second college run, the thoughts are flowing freshly. Keep in mind I like to stir the pot just for the sake of stirring, so don’t take any of this too offensively.

Always remember…be smart about it.


50 Comments

  1. October 27, 2009

    I am a college student myself and right now, it’s hard to juggle college and internet marketing.

    Even when I graduate, I am not going to look for a job. LOL. Internet marketing all the way!

  2. October 27, 2009

    This is like the first post, that i totally agree with you based on what you said. I totally feel the same way in regards to the above. Great post indeed you surely did put alot of effort into writing this.

    Regards
    Dinono.com

  3. Steven
    October 27, 2009

    Your case is rare, but of course there are always exceptions. For the vast majority of the general public who won’t start their own business, a college degree will always allow them to earn more than a high school graduate. Study after study has shown this.

    Even forgetting the career benefits, college provides a range of experience that is unique and can’t be duplicate in the “real world” All that general knowledge makes you a more well rounded person and is beneficial to your LIFE, not just a job or career. Its not about finding shortcuts and getting more time to play games. Its about increasing your overall knowledge, even if you don’t use that knowledge everyday, its there.

    My advice: go back and finish what you started. You will be happy you did 10 or 20 years from now. Affiliate marketing isn’t going anywhere and there is always time to worry about making money later.

  4. John
    October 27, 2009

    I’m a dropout as well and now working full-time (24/7) in the internet marketing business. I can completely relate to your story. Thanks a lot for sharing.

  5. October 27, 2009

    Quoting my post… 

    “This is for those people, those cases…not everyone…” … “Please don’t come at me with stats on college dropouts, because this article is not about that.”  

    This post isn’t for the vast majority of the general public. It’s for those rare cases. And given that the wealthiest portion of our industry is so young, the chances of having these “rare” cases doesn’t become so rare anymore.

  6. October 27, 2009

    Wow we did like the same thing. I did my first year and a half or so – dropped out. Worked for a year then decided to go back to finish my degree – I almost got it done (I am 2 credits from graduating Business) and dropped out again before I finished. I feel I made the right choice because I am so busy with my online business that school was hurting my business. I will eventually finish, I only have to take 2 classes to graduate which I can basically do anytime.

    You may think your going to let your parents or family down but ultimately it’s your best interest that matters. My parents weren’t happy when I dropped out the second time BUT they have a different feeling about it now, especially since I dropped out the second time I purchased my own house, new car, etc. (before the age of 21) and trust me that = MUCH more than completing a business degree that would barely help me out right now.

  7. Two Time Kick Out
    October 27, 2009

    Steven you sound like a major Jabroni.
    College in the US is nothing more than a $20K a year daycare where 70% of the attendees ambition is to drink and fuck: even for the prudes & intellectuals that will not admit it.
    The other 30% are US students that are there for futures that require college [doctors, lawyers, professionals] and international students; who are going to end up being the boss’ of those professional minded US students.
    So if you condone a rich white *long island (or any ground that bears an overabundance of douchebags) decaying the value of college, making it harder for hard working middle aged citizens awesome.
    It’s sad to see 40 & 50 year old hardworking people not able to make it because these 22 year old pricks are demanding ridiculous wages causing a fall in their pay for what America was built on, Manual Labor.
    So to wrap up.
    To many people go to college making degrees worthless.
    You are a knob gobbler.

    Paul power to you, I’ve been following you for a long time now.
    I respect you working and contributing to the economy, not being a leech living off papas funds.
    keep at it.
    Geneseo is beautiful but way to cold with way to little around.
    They do have Genesee Beer so you win in that factor.

  8. October 27, 2009

    Awesome to see other people out there with similar stories.

    Add more icing on top of that cake.

  9. October 27, 2009

    Like Bryn and Paul, I did pretty much the exact same thing. Went to college and dropped out in the first year. Spent the remainder of the year working on my business, only to feel I should give college another go, mainly because I missed student life and felt a more business related course would be more beneficial. I was wrong and ended up dropping out the next year as well. College may be fun, but I strongly believe completing a degree is unecessary and a waste of time and money if you’re entrepreneurially inclined, or if you simply wish to have a career and care not so much for academics. College is a necessity for certain professions, such as medicine and law, and also if you want to be an academic, so thats my position on the issue.

    Having said that, I think college is a great experience and definitely builds you as a person so I’d recommend everyone considering college to give it a go and only dropout if they are confident enough with themselves and their business.

  10. Gabe
    October 27, 2009

    I graduated from college and I feel the same way you do. It was a waste of time for me and what I’ve done so far in my career.

  11. October 27, 2009

    Hey Paul,

    Awesome post. By my Junior year in college I was earning more than I’d ever make with my degree but just didn’t have the balls to quit school. I had a full scholarship and thought it would be a waste to throw that away. But in reality, it was a waste to spend any more time at school.

    So kudos to you for quitting school…twice. :)

    Karol

  12. Affiliatemafia
    October 27, 2009

    Nice post there paul. I dropped my college a year ago after wasting 2 precious years of my life there studying the stuff that i wont be using in whole of my life. I think you did absolutely right!. My parents wanted me to finish the last year but i have to disappoint them as i wanted to concentrate on my online business and when i look back i feel that i was right at that time. Money is the boss. If you make shitload of money no one is going to ask you about your degree’s. So welcome back :D unleash the playa inside you!

  13. Mau
    October 27, 2009

    Someone should really tell that to Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison & Michael Dell!! You really don’t need college, it can offer you benefits (just like the street can), but you don’t need it. If you want to succeed badly enough, and you have the brains, there is nothing that school will give you that you wouldn’t be able to learn otherwise.

    Off course I know what comes after that comment: “But those men lucked out and became billionaires…” Well you don’t have to be a billionaire, or even a millionaire. What if you had the chance to make the same amount of money during your lifetime by going to college as you would if you never went to college?

    ‘college provides a range of experience that is unique and can’t be duplicate in the “real world”’

    Funny, I often hear top CEOs say that the street provides a wealth of knowledge and experience that could *never* be replicated in school.

    “All that general knowledge makes you a more well rounded person and is beneficial to your LIFE”

    If you want to be a well rounded, knowledgeable person, you will find the way (books) to learn all of that, and if you’re not really interested, you’re probably not even going to remember that after 5 years anyway. Hell, you can learn more by traveling to a foreign country than you could ever learn in school. (Notice I say CAN, because not everyone DOES, it all goes back to the same, if you want something, you’ll figure out a way to get it)

    “For the vast majority of the general public who won’t start their own business, a college degree will always allow them to earn more than a high school graduate.”

    Thankfully, job mentality isn’t for everyone. And that is why college isn’t for everyone, because the whole system is designed around credentials, which off course, as an entrepreneur are useless.

    Try to step out of your own world view and analyze why your belief systems are the way they are. I understand why you would have such strong beliefs about college, I know I did. It’s what we’re taught! But if you step out of it and look at the big picture, there are waaaaaay more valuable and interesting things to spend your money and, much more importantly, your TIME in than college. Life’s too short to be in a classroom if you don’t have to be.

    And I agree 100% with SUP3RNOVA, although 99.9999% of people might benefit from college for obvious reasons, some people just don’t need it and can “hack the system”

    Speaking of which:

    http://paulbuchheit.blogspot.com/2009/10/applied-philosophy-aka-hacking.html

    Is a good read and I’ve always considered successful college drop-outs to be rare people who successful hacked the system :)

    PS: @Steven, I know I may come off too strong there, realize I’m not trying to attack you I just feel very strongly about this topic. I do completely understand your point of view, even if I don’t share it anymore.

  14. October 28, 2009

    I digg this post Paul. I too am living a similar story. Cruised through high school doing zero work, got into a very selective college, wasted $40,000, dropped out twice.. Now I’m 21 and already have 2 years experience in a real career (web development) while my friends from high school are still in classes. Suckers :)

    I can’t say I’m making a killing in affiliate marketing, but I’m just getting started.

  15. Another fellow
    October 28, 2009

    As a post-graduate (in business and economics) who never learned nothing useful or remotely applicable to today’s modern world, I agree with you: those 4 years were a waste of time; and now I am earning as an online marketer more than 95% of my former college buddies without having to suck it up to the corporate rat race.

  16. Tony
    October 28, 2009

    Thanks for the post. Really solved my current situation.

  17. ScottyB
    October 28, 2009

    Interesting post Paul. Awesome to hear you’re still having success! I agree that college isn’t for everyone for sure but I’d like to bring up two points. 1. You mentionned you learnt about online advertising there. Do you think you would have been exposed to it as soon/at all had you not gone that first time? I know you’ve made over $15,000 since then do maybe just putting the thought in your head was worth it.
    2. I’ve got my degree and I can say that university isn’t completely about what you learnt, although I learnt alot of practical stuff and it comes in handy from time to time, but rather about building up assets that are going to help you succeed. In my program I learnt how to learn, who and where to go to for help/assistance, and was part of a huge think tank of ideas from young, all be it sometimes nieve, ambitious minds.
    I don’t regret going to school at all and encourage everyone to give it a try. If not to get an education… do it for the chicks. :P

  18. October 28, 2009

    Bring back Aristotle – the rate of schooling is exceeding the rate of inflation, afterall schooling is big business – Delaware college just purchased the old Chrysler plant for 24 mil., however, i think that a lot of affiliate how-to doesn’t stack up to school textbooks, and self education is great, but a hard road for those seeking a cubicle lifestyle (my 2 cents)

  19. Kris
    October 28, 2009

    Great article. I am the father of a high school junior who is a great kid and hard worker but struggles in school. I am also a part-time affiliate marketer struggling to make it work full time. So this gives me lots to think about, both as a marketer and parent. Thanks!

  20. Stan
    October 28, 2009

    Great article! Brought back memories of me sitting in class wondering what I was going to eat for lunch.

    My best advice for any kid entering or currently in college:

    1) Take your general ed classes your first two yrs & don’t worry about a major until your 3rd semester. See what interests you first.
    2) Get an INTERNSHIP! Hopefully, you can get a paid one.
    3) Make as many friends (esp w/women) the first few weeks of school. After the first month, students put up their “social wall”
    4) Live in the dorms. As bad as the food may be in dorm life, it’s as close as you’re going to get to being on MTV’s Real World.
    5) Join social clubs as well as participate in intramural sports even if you have two left feet.
    6) Kiss all of your professor’s asses! As Paul says, there’s ways around the system. Plus, these guys have great contacts.
    7) Be sure to workout. The “Freshman 20” is no joke as many kids gain weight their first yr of college. You can eat like shit, but be sure to stay active
    8) Get as much tail as possible. Believe me when I say that you don’t need to be Brad Pitt to get some booty. If you’re a little insecure/ugly, set your sights lower & go after some of the fatter chicks.
    9) Manage your time. College will most likely be the best time of your life, so make the most of it. You should either be in class, studying, partying, screwing & interning or networking. Nothing else!
    10) Don’t waste your weekends!

  21. paul
    October 28, 2009

    I’m a little older than most here so have a different perspective. I HAD to do internet marketing as I didn’t go to college and to be honest without it I’d be f*cked. I make a great living form it but From someone who’s seen a lot of people come and go, if you’re in high school knuckle down so if you do go to school, you can go to a good school. If you don’t and 20 years from now this isn’t here, you’ll be working at walmart or selling auto insurance out of some crappy office. Not recommended. My nephew had a full ride to a private school and blew it, now he’s in the marines in afghanistan and yeah, he’s been shot at. My wife was smart, she studied her ass off in high school and got into princeton then got an mba from stanford. I usually make more than her doing this but her nice paychecks from that good education job does come in handy when my stuff is sucking not to mention nice medical and dental with he nice job. No matter what you do, realize you’re competing against a LOT of others and unless you suck it up and work your ass off, you’re probably not going to be one of the top 10% that earns 90% of the money in whatever you decide to do.

  22. October 28, 2009

    Dude I live right near Suny Geneseo lol… I actually go to MCC. But I never knew you lived near Rochester?

  23. Mau
    October 28, 2009

    “If you don’t and 20 years from now this isn’t here, you’ll be working at walmart or selling auto insurance out of some crappy office. Not recommended”

    That’s the problem with most affiliate marketers. They tend to get really close-minded about what they’ll be willing to do to earn a living, they just want to take the affiliate marketing route and nothing else. But realize you’re not trapped here. There’s plenty of opportunity in the internet AND outside of the internet for people with the skillsets that you develop when you’re involved with AM.

    Even though I understand it’s not intentionally rude, I always find it offensive when someone thinks that my success is attached to a certain area of business. Like those aspiring actresses who go to Hollywood and end up waiting tables because that didn’t work out. True businessmen don’t operate that way. If you’ve really got what it takes, “the fall of Affiliate Marketing” or even “the fall of the internet and computers” shouldn’t stop you from achieving success. It’s not even a matter of diversification, it’s a matter of what you’re made of, so that if things get tough YOU CAN ALWAYS FIND A NEW ROUTE TO SUCCESS.

    Everyone should think about this: If this all disappeared, what would happen to YOU?

    If your answer is: “I don’t know…” then you’re definitely not someone who should skip college.
    If your answer is more along the lines of: “I’ll ALWAYS find a way to make a great living, no matter what happens” then congratulations, you’re probably the kind of person who will succeed no matter what, no matter where you are. This is the type of person who can think about college as optional, because if you’re not certain about your capacity to spring back in any situation and make it, if you’re not 100% confident in that and 100% comfortable doing whatever it takes, then you just don’t have what it takes.

  24. Tony
    October 29, 2009

    Spend some money on buying high quality websites for passive income.

  25. October 29, 2009

    The only thing I learned in college is that it was not for me. The only advantage was being in a fraternity and having a blast at the parties. Beyond that, invest the money in PPC and learn that way.

  26. November 1, 2009

    You are certainly right you don’t need to have a college degree to be successful, but it sure is alot harder to be successful without the degree. It also depends what you actually major in while at college, because some majors… you would not be better off financially if you complete it. Anyways right now I am a college student majoring in Finance, it’s not really an easy major of business. Sure sometimes.. I have feelings that I should just stick to my entrepreneurial work, but I know in the end I will be better off if I continue to do both at the same time. But it all depends on the individual in my opinion.

    Till then,

    Jean

  27. John
    November 1, 2009

    I was born one country, and lived in 3 different countries.i have perfect school time, Never have pressure of exam. Study something which my classmates never did. languages, the way people living… I spend my 60% time in the travel. Made money from Stock and futures Market at beginning. Then i tried SEO and PPC.
    Agree you !! :)

    John

  28. November 2, 2009

    Do your homework! You may have been able to get by in high school without doing your homework (or doing it during class the period before it was due), but in college, the value of the practice right after class cannot be ignored.

  29. November 2, 2009

    Just choose a template ,drag the photos to the collage template and save.
    There is a collage templates presentation slideshow,maybe you can get some inspiration from it.

  30. November 2, 2009

    No doubt handling both college and work as an internet marketed is a tough thing. Luckily I was able to complete my education, but I cost me a lot of effort and sleep deprivation. Many people are not that persisten though, and simply decide to leave one or the other.

  31. November 2, 2009

    If you turn out to be a successful entrepreneur on the internet you never look back to what’s going on in real live.
    So many people seem to stick to it.

  32. November 2, 2009

    I’m right there with ya, except mine was more around $30,000 of total “loss”. Looking back, I wished I had known about internet marketing much sooner. Like you said, if you want to get into a profession that REQUIRES education, obviously avoiding college wouldn’t be the thing to do (and I highly doubt anyone could be a doctor without the proper education, at least in the USA). But college definitely was not for me, that’s for sure. Just felt like I was spinning my wheels for too long.

  33. November 2, 2009

    If you turn out to be a successful entrepreneur on the internet you never look back to what’s going on in real live. So many people seem to stick to it.

  34. Tipjar
    November 3, 2009

    Just make sure you complete it within 5 years – pretty most colleges dismiss classes taken 5 years prior but I could be wrong

  35. Tipjar
    November 3, 2009

    pretty *sure* lol

  36. November 3, 2009

    I really enjoyed your article !!

  37. November 4, 2009

    If you got out of this for $15K, you did alright!

    Entrepreneurs tend to think differently than most folks though… College is a necessary life-experience for most.

    Great story!

  38. November 4, 2009

    Great post! I am in my second to last semester now getting my marketing degree and have come to realize the truths in this article over the last few months especially. I sit in my upper level classes and work on projects for some real world clients and all the knowledge and info that I am using is from what I have learned from my out of class direct sales and internet marketing experience. I can see the advantage in having a degree for the sake of having it but there sure is a lot to be said for the overwhelming benefits of not relying on that academic education to provide for you a good job or income. If I had it to do over again would I skip school and go right to business? Well I didn’t really know about internet marketing very much and I have met my fiancé here at school so it’s a toss-up.

    On a practical note, I am really a newbie to internet and affiliate marketing who has flirted around with it and done a lot of info intake but have never really pulled the trigger. Any recommendations on where to start and/or what educational program to sign up for that can guide me through things? I would really like to find a business mentor that is making a good income online full time that can walk me through things.
    If that is you or you have any advice shoot me a line at jcwinter7@gmail.com or http://www.facebook.com/justin.winter. Keep up the great posts!

  39. November 6, 2009

    Very interesting story. It is true that many very successful people did not need college to get where they are. Some did not even need all of high school. I think it is more appropriate for people who don’t really have a definitive idea of what kind of career they want to pursue. I took a 2 year college diploma program. While I admit that a lot of the courses were a complete waste of time, overall it was a positive experience that taught me a lot. By the end of it, I was just trying to find ways around the system, but at least I figured out what I really want to do. That paper degree also helped me land jobs after college. Without that degree, I doubt anyone would hire me in that field. I would’ve only succeeded without college if I was able to get my own business going at a young age.

  40. November 8, 2009

    Brian, College definitely isn’t for everybody, something you mentioned though about parties and frats, for some people that’s what College is all about, and the reason why College is not something that will elevate them in life.

    Till then,

    Jean

  41. November 8, 2009

    I think the social aspect of college far outweighs anything else.

  42. November 9, 2009

    I agree with a guy who says that your case is rare, but of course there are always exceptions… you were lucky to be able to start your business, and many of us are still struggling to do so. So I guess you did well to go your way… BTW I see this post stirred a lot of controversy, so to say…

  43. November 16, 2009

    I certainly agree college is not for everyone. Some go just for the experience, while others expect to land a good job in their field of study. Others, like myself, have other interests that no amount of college could ever prepare you for.

    The decision to go to college comes down to each individual’s goals and plans that they have for their future. I would never discourage anyone from going to college, but it’s important for them to make sure that college is going to take them closer to their goals.

  44. November 25, 2009

    Not everybody has the entrepreneurial bent or skills to necessarily do their own thing, and for them a college degree means the ability to get paid really well (in some instances anyways) for their labour. This still doesn’t disguise the fact that being a wage slave is what college prepares you for, and most people will never get out of that rut for their entire lives!

  45. December 14, 2009

    GREAT GREAT post. This is a genius insider thought of what we think in our minds but always never come out and act and say ENOUGH is enough. I am a business student who dropped out and came back to finish my eight courses this year (due to parental pressures). If I had been a second year I would have easily dropped out and regret the fact that I didn’t take the 2 year diploma instead of a 4 year! I am launching my own business and it’s taking a lot of time to prepare for it versus prepare for school

    *School has become a low-priority for me* I’m in your same boat and spent all this money and have not learned all I have learned at the pubic library. But thank goodness it’s almost over. This will be the end of school for me. I graduate early next year and NEVER again.

    My advice to anyone considering college: go with your hear. Don’t make a decision to spend your money into something just because you feel you should. If your future career doesn’t call for it, DON”T do it. Do not limit yourself to theory versus the practice of the real world. I like to call my experience with college as a place where they have “empty halls of learning” you regurgitate info instead of discovering potential. You are are encouraged to be the same. There is no diversity. You have to choose to have your own path. I found myself most inspired when I went to sales meet-ups, networking events, webinars e.t.c

    Find your own true character. I didn’t find it in a brainwashing chamber. I found it outside the confined walls. I believe education rears disciples, imitators, and routinists, not pioneers of new ideas and creative geniuses. The schools are not nurseries of progress and improvement, but conservatories of tradition and unvarying modes of thought!

    Thank you for echoing my cry. Many need to hear this.

  46. Riera
    December 29, 2009

    Not to be so harsh, but if you think SUNY Geneseo is selective, school is obviously not for you.

  47. December 29, 2009

    Ummm not sure if you’ve checked the school in a few years, but the average SAT score for admittance this year had to be above 1300. They’re actually highly selective now.

  48. January 2, 2010

    dud, this post is sweet and real informative. Most of my friends who decided to quit college interestingly failed with whatever they planned and to be fair I think college won’t really help a lot in real life especially if you’re really not pursuing high paying courses like being and doctor or lawyer and stuffs..

  49. January 13, 2010

    Well, I agree with your comment… not because I think a college degree is 100% necessary but because it is important to finish things you start…

  50. February 6, 2010

    I think colleges hamper our capabilities.First,we should see our our capabilities and choose a future job and try to imrove ourselves on this.No need colleges.

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