Oh No! He Stole My Site!

One of the ways you know that you’re doing something right in affiliate marketing is when somebody rips your landing page and starts promoting right under you. While this may be flattering for a whole 3 seconds, rage will set in soon thereafter. What can you do about these pricks that steal everything you’ve worked so hard to get going? I’m sure if you’ve had this happen to you, you’ve wondered that.

I’m afraid to say the answer is nothing. Most internet marketers lack the ability to think for themselves, so instead of trying their own method of promotion, they’ll find the person at the top and rip everything they have. It’s actually not a bad strategy when we look at it, they’re obviously profiting at what they do, so I’ll just copy everything and have the same success. While many times this does work, these copycats realize sometimes it’s not all just copying.

I’ve had everything in one campaign or another be ripped. I’ve had my landing page ripped about 1,000 times (a lot of them exactly just pulling my source code and uploading it onto their servers), exact ad copy, offer, affiliate network, keywords…anything you can think of. I’ve even had sites where 50 content articles have been copied completely. Although there’s no real way to stop these affiliates, there are a couple things you can try,

1) Talk to the affiliate network their promoting on. Grab the affiliate code and say “Hey, affiliate 12345 completely ripped my website, have it taken down immediately.” If you aren’t a part of the network, it usually takes a while for a manager to actually say something to that affiliate. If you’re promoting the offer on that network, they’ll 95% of the time get it taken care of quicker. This works about 20% of the time. Most people just have a designer make their own copy of the page, which looks almost exact to yours, just a few differences so you can’t attack them or anything.

2) If they’re actually stealing all your content, write them a letter saying to take your content down you have it copyright protected and you’ll take legal action. This also sometimes works.

3) If they copy your domain almost exactly, and it’s a really big campaign, get a trademark on your domain and then go after them for using your TM.

4) Reading the second comment made me think of something else that I have in fact done. You can call up the hosting company of the copycat site, and let them know that one of their users is stealing your website and/or trademark, and they have X amount of hours to take the site down before legal action is taken against the hosting company. I have actually had this work for me in the past.

I’m afraid most of the time in the end, we’re all just going to have to suck it up and accept that it’s a part of our market.

Another thing copycats don’t realize is that even when they think everything is possible has been copied, many times they’ll still lose money on a campaign. I’d rather let them learn the hard way on that one, so most copycats I don’t bother with. If you’re really solid in a niche you shouldn’t be too worried. They won’t be able to initially compete with your quality score so if they bid above you, they’re going to lose cash. If you’ve been running the offer chances are you have a special high payout, which allows more flexibility in bidding and keyword range…something copycats won’t have either. So all in all, most of the copycats are suicide bombers that pop on top of me for a few days and then are gone because they simply can’t last.

Just one of the things we all have to realize I guess, there’s no magical way to stop anybody from copying your page or adcopy. Just look past it and keep doin’ what you’re doin’. Hey, without competition we’d all sit in position #1 for 0.01 a click and have an ROI of 3000%…now what fun is there in that???


26 Comments

  1. March 11, 2008

    While nothing is perfect, I’ve picked up on a trick that works ok.
    If the page is heavily reliant on javascript, CSS, or whatever else you can make external, have it generate an ID on the page load, and use that as an argument for it. So you might be using style.css?id=gnaoh8439834.
    On the pageload, insert that into the database. When the css file is loaded, have it remove that entry from the database.
    If the ID is not in the database, the CSS file doesn’t load. Or can redirect to internetisseriousbusiness.com. Whichever you prefer ;-)
    It’s not perfect, but it can slow people down considerably. And seeing rick astley everytime you botch the file sale or w/e is a good incentive to go jack someone else’s landing page.

  2. ImagesAndWords
    March 11, 2008

    I just answered a post about this over at Wickedfire yesterday. I own and run a hosting company, and I’ve seen these things happen a few times. Customers have come to us and explained how so and so ripped off their site.

    Consider this option as well; Find out what hosting provider AND registrar the person is using. Then write up a serious letter to them with mention of your lawyer and legal action. (You’re not directly threatening the host/registrar, but making a point that you are willing to go far). Be sure to provide some information about the history of your site. Many hosting companies and registrars will take this seriously and the copycat page will be gone in no time. ;)

    ImagesAndWords

  3. March 11, 2008

    Friendly point: here in Canada, afaik, TMs are automaticly granted. You only register them to get a presumption of knowledge in your favour in court. Also, IP law is national so you may run into issues across borders. At the end of the day, it all depends on the ROI, right?

  4. Patrick
    March 11, 2008

    I’ve had better luck than you I guess. 99% of the time you just complain to the affiliate network and hosting provider and the site will be down within 24 hours and/or the affiliate network will terminate them or at least send them an email telling them all their earnings are being withheld.

  5. Dr Nick
    March 11, 2008

    When you’ve got a landing page that you consider “complete”, submit it to the Copyright office to get it registered (copyright.gov, costs $45, and now there’s an electronic option for $35). Once it’s registered, you can pretty much take direct legal action and get money for damages — don’t even bother sending a warning, just get proof that they are copying and get your lawyer to cut right to the chase and take them to court. If they’ve been making a ton of revenue from copying you, then you have a good chance of pocketing it.

  6. March 12, 2008

    Code lock your scripts…

    I can’t remember the name of it, but theres a way to lock your html out from people viewing it it might help a bit :)

  7. March 12, 2008

    LOL there are actually plenty of ways to approach this. Only the really good ones will know how to tackle your codes if you code it right.

    -Steven-

  8. Kiley
    March 12, 2008

    I have a pretty good idea what LP you are talking about, if the offer is running on Azoogle.

    Paul, expect it to happen again, and again, it’s the nature of the beast. J. Volk and another dude on DP just went round and round about the same thing a couple of weeks ago, just gotta suck it up, and not whine about it like the other dude did.

  9. March 12, 2008

    When putting a webhost on notice, it’s important to have a properly-prepared DMCA. I had a situation with a company that was using 1and1 for their hosting and one of their sites copied some content from me. The host at first tried to claim they weren’t responsible, but when I sent them a formal DMCA notice and CC’ed my corporate attorney, the offending account was suspended indefinitely.

    Not the site mind you — the account. All 18 of the offending multimillion dollar company’s websites GONE. Took months for them to recover.

    The web host makes money from the person who is ripping you off and is not going to end a profitable relationship with them unless you force them to do so.

  10. March 12, 2008

    Why not capitalize on them stealing your EXACT source code? Stick a piece of JS at the top that checks to see if the site is hosted on your server, if its not either redirect or IFRAME to your landing page. They buy all the traffic, but you get all the leads.

    If your lucky maybe they will set it and forget it and you can get a solid week or something out of it. Since they are stealing your landing page they probably don’t know to much about coding/design and might not be able to find the offending JS. Then they have to find a different landing page. Win win.

  11. March 12, 2008

    The Digital Millenium Copyright Act provides a take-down procedure for this type of issue. Most web hosting companies will take down the infringing laning page. We do this all the time for our clients.

  12. March 12, 2008

    Not Azoogle :).

    It’s not just one page, it’s been many of my landing pages.

  13. March 12, 2008

    Good ideas about coding and it is beneficial to encrypt some of your code (which I now do), but it’s still easy for the person to just pay a designer $100 to copy the page.

  14. Kiley
    March 12, 2008

    Not so sure about that, the affiliate companies do not care, as long as that affiliate is making money, this is direct from the horses mouth. I won’t mention the affiliate company.

  15. Konrad
    March 12, 2008

    3): Too bad when google slaps that domain, eh? :>

    Also, I find it funny that someone would whine about people copying ones LP when the LP itself is a straight up rip of the merchants page. Speaking of which, you need to fix some links on the content you borrowed, it’s a broken mess.

  16. March 12, 2008

    THAT is absolutely brilliant.

    http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/20020107.asp would be a good start for people looking into doing this. Obfuscate the hell out of the JS and put it inline with the page and you’re golden. Make sure you’ve got some cheesy JavaScript effect like a clock or something on there so they don’t remove all of the scripts.

  17. This is a really big problem in the affiliate marketing arena and you are right all in all there is often little you can do. But you have pointed out some great tips for combating this evil, although like you said they won’t always work. Actually one of the comments here is a really good idea, which was to contact the hosting company of the copycat. Often times this against the hosting companies tos and they will take action pretty quickly. Thanks for the excellent advice.

  18. Kiley
    March 12, 2008

    What does the domain have to do with anything?

  19. March 12, 2008

    Nope. Azoogle’s running the offer themselves now since P jumped ship to CX.

  20. March 12, 2008

    AWesome suggestions both of you, and thanks for the resource!

  21. James
    March 12, 2008

    To find out where a site is hosted, just use this site: http://whoishostingthis.com

  22. Greg C.
    March 12, 2008

    I have contacted hosts via generic email forms and had sites taken down within 48 hours without much effort.

  23. those bastards!

    now, if you’d tell us which of your landing pages are working the best for you, we can keep an eye out for copycats ;-P

  24. March 13, 2008

    Provided that your content is original, you can have an attorney send a demand letter to the offenders. In the USA copyright infringement is punishable by a fine of up to $500,000 and 5 years in prison. There are also civil remedies available including damages, lost profits and punitive damages. If you could prove that they stole the content, and show a loss of sales, subscriptions, or visitors to your site, you could make a case. This would be true even if they stole your material from another person.

  25. Businesman
    March 15, 2008

    Landing pages are NNNNOOOOTTTT very important in this business. They should only be good enough. The important part is searching!!!
    Searching for good products that sell well online and searching for good advertising that is cheap enough to have positive ROI and can get you as many buyers as possible.

  26. Really stupid
    March 29, 2008

    About #4, if you sent that to my hosting company I’d tell you to go fuck yourself. That’s what the DMCA process is for. There is absolutely nothing you can do to the hosting company.

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